↳ Information About Makers and Manufacturers, ↳ Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. CONTACT INFO. Garrison 206. I will be putting a order in the next few months for the 193 taper. (Stephen Dugmore). 10 90 95 Starting bid is $319.99 plus shipping. There were lots of other rare rods not for casting, and some other cool stuff. I think I have a Garrison 212 in the shop if I do, I will make a 212 taper with the zig zag and we will try it out. I reckon there will be very little difference in the feel, if any. For sale here is a near mint condition Douglas Duck Model 193 bamboo rod - 6'9 2/2 for a 4 weight. by Tom Smithwick » 03/04/07 14:38, Post Garrison 215 Garrison 221 Garrison 209E. A sweet rod indeed!) Casts a 3 or 4 wt line with grace. So I accept that it would likely deflect the same as the original. I charted the taper, and as you know, a snake would break it's back trying to follow the line. Not just feel, but actually put a description too beyond the usual 'faster, slower'. Also, as a tool, you can "test fit" a customer to figure out what that individual likes best and "customize" the rod to them. Garrison may be named for an early settler, Captain Zadock Bonner "Zed" Garrison (April 20, 1829 – January 9, 1909). (Ren Monllor), I've long felt (with no proof or justification) that it takes a pretty significant change to make a difference that the average caster can describe. Of course, smaller changes at a tip are more significant. A wonderful taper. (Jim Lowe). model 201, 7’ 4wt. Captain Garrison served as a First Lieutenant in the First Regiment, Texas Mounted Volunteers during the Civil War. Cigar style cork grip,wrapped with a ruby red wrap not color locked with a candy apple translucent effect. When looking at the various taper libraries it sometimes states 'allowance for varnish NO' in which case do I take say 2 thou: off all the dimension. During its existence, Garrison manufactured electric and acoustic guitars. I think if one rod has a bunch of hinges, you'd be able to feel that as you progressively stress the rod when you test your loop control at different line lengths. Garrison definition, a body of troops stationed in a fortified place. History. Can someone clear my thoughts. Some said that the two tapers will feel the same, since the zig zag ones weight will average out to be same as the smooth one. Contact me through the EZ inbox if you are interested. (Bamboo speak 6' 9" staggered ferruled/Thomas taper/4-5 weight. For your consideration is a completely original Everett Garrison presentation rod with a rather incredible history and a well-documented provenance. See more. All of this becomes integral in your ultimate quest to advance your character, and you’ll be returning to your Garrison frequently to further your goal of prote… I have listed two tapers here, they are the Garrison 193 for ease of understanding; actually they both the same taper with a little twist on the second version. I think I'd be able to feel this change when cast 10 - 20 feet of line. I agree with Al. I really don't know and I would like to. With Jerry's rods I found that 5" wasn't to my liking. 75 270 270 Or should the taper be beefed up in the butt. 55 206 201 Rarely seen impregnated finish on this rod. Garrison 201E. I probably spent too much time with QC guys over the years, but I would suggest that since you are cycling .005 over and under a baseline, that the variance you are dealing with is .010, not .005. Garrison 204E. (Jim Lowe). Garrison Model 193 6.8 ft 4 wt; Garrison Model 212 8 ft 6 wt; Garrison Model 221 8.8 ft 7 wt; George Maurer 7042 7-4 7 ft 4 wt from George's rodmaking class. 70 270 270 Garrison 212. Mine has landed a 22" brown in small water. If you build it, please let us know what it's like. You are right about the .010 between stations but it's only .005 between the center line and I still feel that the bamboo fibers will average the stress out. Garrison 202E. He had them at the Metolius Bamboo Rod Fair in Camp Sherman, OR, this past July, and I expect he'll have them there again this coming July. by bluejayee » 03/04/07 22:40, Post Some of the changes were subtle but you could feel the differences when cast side by side. I think it was Steve who pointed out that there is a stress peak at the 20" mark. The chart also includes a 10% scenario. by yakstone » 03/05/07 07:00, Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited. And a lot of folks said NOTHING, it's hard to believe that there aren't more maker with opinions on tapers. This guide covers all the different transmog sets you can get from Garrison buildings! The Taper is Listed in Gould’s Book Tips and Tapers. or 202 or 202 E 7” 5wt. Gierach Clark Best 8652 8.5 ft 5 wt 8'6" for 5 wt. Some said you would feel every point flex where the taper went from a large change to a small one, sometimes we refer to this as a flex point. These were the rods that were on the floor and available for casting at SuperBoo 8. Seller Notes: “ Brand New Fly Rod Beautiful Flamed Garrison 201E taper 7'3wt Maple Engraved sliding band seat and cap\Aluminum, gorgeous seat, 2 tips. Everett Garrison Rods; 193: 201: 201E: 202E: 204E: 206: 209: 209E: 212: 212E: 215: 221 Although there is a slight difference in maximum stress I don’t think that is the point of Bob’s question. Garrison definition is - a military post; especially : a permanent military installation. (John Channer), Just walking back to the shop I also thought that when it comes to questions about feel, it’s important to remember that like sight and sound, everybody is different. Length (Feet): 6’9” Length (Inches): 81” Pieces: Especially in the tip. The Bamboo weight is the same for both tapers. 2014-10-01 15.44.55.jpg Garrison 193 taper. It is an interesting exercise, especially given the different stress diagrams the tapers generate – although the overall shape of the graphs are similar, the peaks and troughs of the hinges/shoulders obviously register quite differently in the snaky one . Christmas Missives - Chat Room - Photo Galleries - Line Conversions - The Journey - Extreme Rodmaking - Rodmaker's Pictures - Donate - Store. It is an 8' 2/2 model 212 built and presented in 1941 to a member of the venerable Wyandanch Club in Long Island. I have my idea but I would like to hear what others have to say. How significantly it might change is another matter, of course. Steve Dugmore asked me what my thoughts are. I am sure he could tweak the taper to make the high point stress the same and the question would remain. (Larry Blan). I believe the rod will favor the weakest links if the offsetting adjustments are proportional. I have see many tapers that have one or more changes like this and wondered what the designer had in mind when he was doing this and if these were actually making a difference, maybe someone who has done designs like this would share their thoughts with us. (Tom Smithwick). Examples would be, lines, actions, classic and modern makers actions and the like. It is a true midge rod, and starts to slow down with bushy dry flys over size 16. Your forms are going to cry when you set them for the MOD! Bamboo Tips - Tips Area What species do fish for with your bamboo rods? I charted the taper, and as you know, a snake would break it's back trying to follow the line. Look at Waynes 6322 and 6032; Dickerson's 8062; Doug Easton's 9063 Quad and Gallus 9083, these are all examples of sharp changes. Construction: Hex. If you live in New England and like cane, you should go out of your way to make the drive next year. Our Mission is to provide our customers with the greatest selection and availability of any store with fair prices and excellent customer service. WHY GARRISON'S GUNS? 50 193 198 ↳ Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, ↳ Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, ↳ Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. This board is for discussing concerns of fishing bamboo fly rods. Some said that it takes larger changes over a number of stations to make anything really be felt. Rod Design - Taper Variations, < Home < Tips Area < Rod Design < Taper Variations. I can see that volume of cane, weight, and weight distribution should average out the same. leading up to Garrison’s re-opening in early 2021. (Reed Guice), I built the two tips for a Garrison 212 and it was just as I thought, I can't tell the difference in casting or on static deflection on the wall. How to use garrison in a sentence. Classic Garrison taper. Hi Brookstalker, I've built and fished two. You know it's funny but I haven't heard much discussion about actual tapers for quite a while. Significantly changing the maximum stress and/or shifting the location/extent of it would have to make a difference. I also do believe that if the difference from station to station isn’t tooooo great, it will all average out. Here is Lt. Col E.L. Morton casting what I call the grass rocket. My question is; do you think these tapers will feel and cast the same or because of the slight changes in the taper station numbers of the second one, will it be different ? 80 270 270, The only thing I have done is sequenced the station numbers for #2 by added or subtracted 5 thousandths making the taper Zig Zag. 40 168 173 65 233 229 I'm just putting this out as something as something to think about. (David Bolin), Rods don't cast tailing loops, people cast tailing loops. A day of fishing with one of Mr. Garrison’s smaller rods is pure pleasure, whether you catch a fish or not! $150.00 Price: But what about the smaller 193. thanks. Built on hardsec security patterns, our threat elimination platforms deliver unparalleled security, performance and scale. Original bag and tube. I have seen too many tapers with sharp stress peaks like these to feel that they really get to values that are anything like the graphing shows. $150.00 Price: The Blank is a 12 foot blank. I have no proof of this, just the many hours looking at rod taper deflections and trying to see taper changes I had built into the rods. and one of the very last I would consider parting with. The taper is a bit slower feeling than the other Garrisons, but it is not wimpy or tricky to cast. If you all ever get the chance to cast Jerry Foster's experiment series, you should. Garrison 212E. Crisp dry fly action. I basically only use it for midge and trico type of fishing. and one of the very last I would consider parting with. Posted to list sometime back...Bob (ps. A good caster can make a rod bend just about anywhere they want. I know my terminology is awful compared to an engineers, but please bear with me. In this case, I can't help but think that one or more of those hinges will work at a given load, and change the feel. 5 70 70 My feeling is that bamboo is such a forgiving material that it just shares the load on either taper. & 201e. I have a nice little small stream cane rod for sale. You've taken a basically straight (OK, shoot me, progressive) taper and made it into one with a series of fast and slow spots, shoulders followed by hinges if you will. Located in downtown Tampa's Marriott Water Street along the Garrison Channel waterfront, Garrison Tavern is the first restaurant concept in Tampa Bay from world-renowned chef and restaurateur Richard Sandoval. I believe that with all the hinges built in, at the point you begin to muscle in the cast, there’s going to be a difference felt only because you’re casting what vaguely resembles the links on a chain. 35 156 151 In the 7 foot model there is the 201. I see you were up late last night and figured you’d wake us up a bit….. My thoughts…I think that it would be close in feel, but not identical. My question is to the people who has cast, & fishes with this taper. You need to make significant overall changes to make a big change in feel. If one rod has a different maximum stress (as Jerry's did) you can definitely feel that. (Bob Norwood), Tips Home - What's New - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - Contact Us - Taper Archives 20 119 124 What is your thoughts on the standard taper. The safety of our customers and staff is our #1 priority. At first glance it looks horrible, but it could be interesting to build to see what it actually casts like. 15 106 101 Garrison 193. Bob’s experiment doesn’t quite do that. The population was 895 at the 2010 census. It would seem counterintuitive. 6′9″ long 2 piece/2 tips 3 weight, flamed and heat-treated. 30 144 149 Also comes with a nickel silver ferrule plug and original hang tag. If smooth yet authoritative describes the style of small stream rod you are looking for then the Garrison 193, 6’9” 4wt. Garrison 193. On a more effortless cast you probably won’t be kicking in the hinges. CONTACT INFO. We've also developed a Garrison Timer App on Android and iOS - the latest version integrates with an in-game QR code generator so you can scan your missions instead of inputting them manually! Our Mission is to provide our customers with the greatest selection and availability of any store with fair prices and excellent customer service. Top Rod: Garrison (modified) Full Flex taper flamed cane 8' 3/2 4wt DT line Bottom Rod: Wm Mills taper 7 ½ 2/2 2 or 3 DT line, Full Flex. by brookstalker » 03/04/07 10:02, Post Link: Garrison 193 Taper Blank i In my experience, I have great difficulty seeing any taper change that is shorter that 15" and the change no more than .005. Garrison & Garrison trusts American Standard Products. Garrison 209. I've got to imagine that having several soft spots in the rod is going to be felt. I also feel that, if we just averaged the taper over these areas that no one could tell the difference between the rods. I would like to believe that for me Feel or Touch is a much more sensitive than say my sight (I’m extremely nearsighted). That would make me a bit uneasy, as I suspect that is a critical area, My guess is that that would maybe produce a tailing loop if the rod was really loaded up, but I suppose that's a question of degree. 60 219 224 Well I have the undocumented feeling that offsetting changes like these are actually averaged out by the power fibers, since they are much longer than the 5 inch stations changes. Jay Edwards. It's a small water rod. A 5 thousandths deviation is a 5% change at station ten and 2% at station 65 producing an average of 3%. Only the finest Tonkin Cane is used and ALL the blanks ARE heat treated twice during their construction. The way that I look at tapers and lines is that a good rod should handle three line sizes, thus small changes are just that, and have little influence on the rod. Garrison SAVI ® technology is a simple concept that takes advantage of the incredible power of the Arm devices that power the world’s mobile phones and tablets. I would say that by introducing the hinges, you effectively change the position of the turnover point or spread that point over a range which would have a different feel. Not that I can prove any of that, but it is an interesting mental exercise, Bob. The company became a subsidiary of Gibson in 2007, but its plant was closed in 2010. One rod has a turnover point at 5" the other is further back. My own copy is serial number 003, the oldest of my rods that I still own. For a Fly angler who is wanting a bamboo rod with the distance punch of graphite. Change the taper scenario slightly making 5% adjustments instead of 5 thousandths. Once ground is broken, you can decide which buildings to construct, which followers to recruit, and which missions they should undertake. So I accept that it would likely deflect the same as the original. Just ‘detecting bad’ is no longer enough.Garrison’s model is different. Having cast Jerry's rods, I would have to agree. Garrison Guitars was a guitar manufacturing company originally founded by Chris Griffiths in Canada in 1999. The first I sold as a used rod to a customer who 'had to have it' and I built another 'cause I 'had to have it'. Price including rod sock, and tube is $800.00. Garrison Database Our Garrison database covers: Buildings: browse buildings by image, and see all related items, achievements, quests, and more on building pages as well as their costs and work order totals The bottom line is that YOU CAN feel the difference between the rods, though some differences are very subtle. I realize this is not a scraper but, in my thoughts a rod taper is almost as important as a scraper. WHY GARRISON'S GUNS? (Ren Monllor). Garrison 201. (Tom Smithwick), After looking at the tapers I'd like to add that I think the difference would be significant ( to me anyway). The ones I have are built by AJ and Art Weiler and are well built and in the Garrison tradition very understated. Top Rod: Leonard taper (DF) 7 ½' 39-5 (5wt line) 2/2 red silk with b/w jasper tipping and full intermediates. I'd leave the taper alone, it's great in the right circumstance. Having just checked the finished 206 dimensions whilst typing this my 206 is actually closer to a 209 true. Some wondered about the transfer of power down the rod, on this, I would offer up all the rod tapers which have changes similar to this, some of the more famous ones. From Air Conditioners to Air Handlers, we stand behind this line for efficiency and durabilty. Could a taper like this transfer power from the caster to the line as effectively as something smoother? 3. Garrison 193 Mod. (Chris Obuchowski). 2. Garrison SAVI ® uses two Arm chips working as a pair. If you build them and find they are the same, it goes to prove what I’ve thought: a few thousandths tweak here or there is averaged out and hardly matters. It is a modified Partridge of Reddich taper that will hum out 70' plus of line without effort. Well, I had a few replies about my question regarding these two similar taper. This may result in a slightly different feel, but I doubt it. The same or different and WHY? Presently listed on Ebay. 2014-10-01 15.45.28.jpg 11' Spey 400-430grain, 3pc, Hollowed - Personal Taper. Restaurant is currently closed due to the pandemic and will re-open later this year. I'll try and summarize the answers I got as I understand them: One point that was not mentioned was that the ZZ outside taper length is longer than the smooth one, which could mean that the ZZ actually has more power fibers thus it's a stronger rod, maybe. My program also indicates the same deflection. It is a true midge rod, and starts to slow down with bushy dry flys over size 16. I have a Garrison 193 built by Rick Cunningham in like new condition that I would sell. 25 132 127 Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update-Garrison & Garrison continues to practice all safety precautions laid out by the CDC with regards to COVID-19. Post ... Garrison #193 Bamboo Blank. 1. We eliminate threats by transforming everything into a guaranteed safe format. If I get the chance to build one of each I will let you know what I find out. He made a series of rods, starting with the same taper (8' 5 wt, .013/5" or so), and then using Max Satoh's program (dynamic deflection) built one series with the maximum stresses of 180k, 200k, and 220k; a second series where the peak stress (180k) was at 10", one at 15", one at 20", and a third arm where the length of the peak varied (IE. So, I thought I would ask a question that I have not been able to solve short of building the tapers and it might just have to come to that. 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